Have a heart!
This elderly customer looked down at the vial of pills on the counter and said, “We can’t afford that.” She put her checkbook back into her purse and said it again, “We can’t afford that.” She was stricken. Her face had turned pale. Her hands trembled slightly. She sighed deeply. “Why so much with my AARP discount?” She gave me a mean stare.
The problem was that she had lost her pensioner’s insurance when she became eligible for Medicare and we all know about Medicare and drugs for the next few months at least. Nada! “It’s not my fault.” I held my hands out, palms up. “This drug is $125.00 for 45 tablets … after your AARP discount.” “We can’t afford it,” she said one more time.
Now, this was not a legitimate life or death drug, although some psychiatrists might disagree. It was sertraline (Zoloft) and she had been taking 150 mg a day for a couple years. Had the doctor even talked to her about depression lately? “I’m going to quit all my drugs,” she said with a snap to her tongue. “We just cannot afford this kind of money.” She stared at me. This woman could be scary. She had the elegance of a big city woman and the toughness of a farm girl. “Maybe you should not just quit all your drugs,” I said, thinking of her diltiazem, atenolol and hctz. “This one, I will quit. I will not pay that kind of money for a drug.” She gave me a look. “Why are you so expensive?” I said it again. “Don’t blame me. This store is not the one making all of the big money.”
“Well who is then?”
“Can’t you guess?”
“The drug companies?”
“Bingo! Medicare will help starting next year.”
“Well, what can I do in the meantime?”
“I will tell you,” I said and I did! I told her that her AARP discount card did very well with generics, but did not do that well with brand names. I told her that there were generic drugs similar to sertraline and she would be wise to request a drug change from her doctor. She was interested now. “What drugs? Are they just as good?”
“Probably just a good, but you are the only one who can really answer that question.” I wrote the names down for her. Citalopram and beside it I wrote generic Celexa. Fluoxetine and Prozac. “Here are two good ones.” I folded the slip of paper and handed it to her. “The generic Prozac is really cheap,” I said. “I’d guess that a month’s worth would be less than $30.00 with the AARP discount.” She thanked me and assured me that she would talk to her doctor. He is a family physician. I just can’t wrap my mind around that idea that your average family doctor can competently treat depression.
This elegant farm woman took a metaphorical club to her doctor within an hour and he had me on the phone within 90 minutes. I had made a mistake. When I make a suggestion of this type, I usually request that the patient tell the doctor that they found the information on the Internet. Doctors just don’t like pharmacists exercising our knowledge muscles. I neglected to do that and I paid the price. He was aggressive with me. “Did you tell her to change drugs?” Oh boy. I could tell from his voice that he was pissed. It was too loud and snappy. This doctor was an older physician. Some of these guys, who have been around the race track a few times, are used to pushing pharmacists around. Not me!
“Hold up,” I said, “I did not tell her to change drugs. I told her that there are alternative drugs that are much less expensive. I told her that it was up to you and I made a couple suggestions” There! Take that, big fella! I explained the price differential to the doctor. He listened carefully, but I could hear that he was not happy with me. He was breathing hard. “I told her to discuss a generic drug with you.”
“I think Zoloft is a good drug,” he said, calming down.
“Doctor,” I said very slowly, very distinctly, “She won’t take anything if you don’t write for something cheaper than Zoloft.
“You don’t like Zoloft?”
“Zoloft is a fine drug,” I said, “And when this patient had prescription insurance and the copay was only $15.00 it was fine for her. Zoloft is not the problem, doctor. The fact that 45 tablets price out at $125.00 with the AARP discount … that is the problem.” The doctor quietly asked me which generic would be the cheapest. I told him fluoxetine. He said, “She probably doesn’t even need this anymore.” He prescribed fluoxetine and hung up without saying goodbye. This incident is at the top of the iceberg. This woman was no pushover. There are thousands of people out there who never complain. They pay huge amounts of their income on very expensive medications when there may be an alternative drug that is only a fraction of the cost. How do they know? They are unsophisticated about drug prices. They do not even know how to ask: Isn’t there something cheaper that can do the job just as well? They just pay .. and pay .. and keep on paying. You know people like this.
And you are not making a hell of a lot of profit when your investment is $110.00 and the AARP discount price is $125.00. You do much better when your investment is $5.50 and the AARP price is $27.78. It looks to me that both the patient and the pharmacy come out OK. Now, I am not suggesting that pharmacists intercede willy nilly when the prescribed drug is a very expensive brand name and there is a generic alternative in the same class. There are many people who have money and there are just as many who do not! I am suggesting that we look carefully and show some compassion when buying a prescription means draining the grocery fund. I think that were can be better human beings if we take a look and actually do something about it. On the third Friday of every month, around 5:00 PM, a seventy-something woman named Crystal comes in for her monthly prescriptions. Last winter, on an icy, blustery day below zero, I took a close look at Crystal’s cold weather jacket. It was baby blue, frayed and a weight appropriate for 30 degrees, not 10 below. Her husband’s jacket was denim. I filled her prescriptions and asked the technician to ring her out. I told her that I was embarrassed. She looked at me funny and said, “Why are you embarrassed? What have you done?” “The prices,” I said, “Look at the prices.” Three prescriptions came to almost $400.00.
“Do something then.” A twenty-something idealist.
“Like what?”
She shrugged. “I dunno!”
So, I did something. I called the doctor’s office and talked with the nurse. I explained about Crystal and $400.00. I asked if the doctor had ever thought of less expensive therapy. I told her that I felt like a criminal. “These people may not get enough to eat,” I said. “The thing that gets me the most is that they never complain.” The nurse said, “I will talk with the doctor.” She did. Crystal came in with three new prescriptions the next month. Her total came to less than $120.00. The next time I saw her and her husband, they both had new winter jackets. So, if you are going to play in this game of serving people, use your head. Have a heart. And remember the old Internet trick if you don’t think you want to have your hind end chewed up by a cranky physician.
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My use of medicine is modest. My wife is a nurse at the ER so unless I’m dieing I can’t go there. Personnally, I’ve lost weight with PDM, got absolutey manditory rest with a few sedatives when indicated and pain meds have been useful infrequenty. I have not found it difficult to titrate down,of stop to ant great extent. Possiblly that is the exception. Like food or what ever- some just think more is better. In general the conservatives will not extend you a courtesy a Rx many times. They, the meds are not “habit forming” I truly believe the personality of the individual is the determining factor. Have a heart!
Having a ‘Poverty’ level income according to the definition anyway, I’m technically entitled to some indemnity for the Meds that make my existance not only livable,but extend the quality and definition of ‘Human Being’ not a idle term of ordinaryiness. When possible, I will pay cash, even though the product is covered. 25 yrs ago, a pharmacist looked at the coverage I had and mumbled-’Welfare’ I promptly said I prefered to think of it as ‘Insurance’. At any rate, what some recieve for petty offences,”Community Service” I do gladly all the time for nothing but, ‘thanks, can you come in tomorrow’? or, can you stay a little longer? Even on Friday night after 8 hrs at work, the charge nurse was greatful that I stayed from Sunset to Sundown for a total time of 20 hrs/24 hr day. Clinics will not charge me. Even after paying, the Director will reverse the credit card charges. Life is truely unpredictable.
I have a RN that works at the ER, and she says no to going there period. That’s fine. But the “Old Internet Trick” is Always a alternative. No matter how hard you try, even a broken leg in two places gets 50 5/500’s Hydros. Valium -#15 in maybe 6 months. I don’t like bleeding or waiting 4-6 hrs for someting easily obtainable in advance.Imetrex-is one . a few diazepam as my wife tosses and snores and my 6-7 inch back is unrelenting in it’s wrenched with spasm. Not often-but the Eagle Scout Troop always said “BE PREPARED” I’m getting more and more unrestful recooperative sleep. Without it, I’m worthless, and defatigable in a short period.I can take it, but after 2-3 days -well -I take action within the scope of good medical practice. It makes sense.To suffer 36 hrs on end is protracted. I’m not falling apart,just down.
The Gov’t plans to put a screeching halt to the procurment of internet medications!!! -A honest mans word just isn’t good enough anymore! -My friend at just under 90 has to almost beg for codeine. That’s NOT RIGHT! What? They get Medication in India, but the US is less than educated on the Rx’s they ingest? Does ANYONE SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
internet Meds are no doubt against the grain of “Big Pharma” The gov’t says less interference. Should a P.O. out of the Academy be in charge of my personal medical maintenance Tx? -get the Feds out of the way-Let free enterprise takes it course. The Medical people don’t give these out SO readily without guidelines and a Phone call.. this is vital,important and shows patient/MD trust and reassurances,(including satisfied compliant individuals)!
Once you have complied within a time frame,(a few yrs)in these important areas of Pt complaints-delineated and successfully reinterated-ALL catagories of the your trust enhancement and competant Pt-Md relationships are anogalous/and is enhanced. Administering as Directed on nearly EVERY occation,NOT INCREASING THE DOSE ON ONES OWN INITITIVE. A EXCELLENT WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF THE HUMAN METABOLISM. and-SUBMITTING THOSE LABS IN NEAR NORMAL RANGES.Ht to Wt RATIOS etc.JUST TO NAME A FEW! BE HEALTHY AND DO YOUR HOME WORK!
Now in drugstores offer set soothing how to choose correct? Whether there Are divisions by kinds of a pain? It is not necessary to hammer in a headache soothing? WBR LeoP
I do things like this about once every two weeks, particularly for Medicare Part D patients. I am fortunate, however, not being an RPh. As an intern, I get to have more fun doing MTM rather than having to worry about machine-gunning prescriptions out.
By the way, Jim, most MDs prefer asynchronous communication because it is more efficient. Faxing notes to a doctor will often work more effectively than calling the office directly.
In my experience, of course.
[...] But what about those people who legitimately consume large amounts of healthcare dollars? They need an advocate. And that’s YOU. The community pharmacist. When situations like this arise, you’re the one that should go to bat for the person on the other side of the counter, because no one else can. [...]
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