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Can any of you verify this?  Jay Pee


 I’m a frequent reader of your blog and want to pass on some new information I got.

 I just gave a copy to Rite Aid in Northern California.  After business, we discussed new happenings in Northern California and he said there are 2 more new pharmacy schools coming to California within next year or two. 

 He says Walgreens in San Francisco Bay Area is now (or will soon) be offering new graduates $40/hr, 30 hr weeks, with no benefits, that’s it.  For me that’d be a $20/hr pay cut, the pharmacist said that for him that’s almost $30/hr pay cut, not to mention the No Benefits provision.

 Just passing along this unverified info.  It’s not good news for pharmacy, if true.

 Tony in the Pacific Northwest

Not good for pharmacists, Tony.  This is the rate for new graduate ROBO-DISPENSERS from schools like Touro.  These newer for-profit pharmacy schools do not produce PHARMACISTS who know how to navigate the job, including compounding.  Can we do anything?  Is there value for Walgreens to want to hire a graduate of the University of  Calif0rnia San Francisco Pharmacy School before a graduate of Touro in Vallejo?  Probably not.  It really kis our job to show WAG that they will get more bang form their bucks to hire a pharmacist rather than the robo-dispenser.  Any ideas?  Goose?  Peon?  Steve?  Pharmacy Gal?




  1. Pharmacy Gal  •  Jan 5, 2014 @1:19 pm

    A robo-dispenser is a highly paid tech. We have them where I work too. They brag about how many orders they can process in a shift and then I spend a good part of the next shift fixing their errors. I don’t have any answers. My managers (both pharmacists) are numbers guys. I see value when pharmacists take care of patients in ways only a pharmacist will do…good medication reconciliation, patient education, renal and hepatic dosing, vancomycin dosing for the docs, choosing lower cost or more appropriate therapies, etc.etc. Good pharmacist care is even more important now that we get our reimbursement cut when patients get readmitted. I believe employee pharmacist working conditions should be a top priority of every state pharmacy association.

  2. pharmaciststeve  •  Jan 5, 2014 @4:31 pm

    I was sitting in my office the other day with the Pres of the company I am CFO now.. young guy (43).. inherited the position when his Dad died. Very little college…but.. fairly intuitive and a great inventor.. We provide respiratory and supportive surfaces ( we manufacturer low air low mattresses and other decubitis products ) to nursing homes.
    He was telling me that LTC is going to take a 20% hit on their reimbursement.. He didn’t think that staff could be cut much further but that nursing pay was going to drop..

    I understand that LTC pharmacies are having some rearrangement of reimbursement in providing meds to LTC.. of course it is going to be less in some fashion or another.

    Physicians are selling their practices to hospitals in large numbers because their pay is dropping.

    I recently saw a article on 10 best future jobs and everyone that had to do with medical had the word “technician” in the title.

    Obama stated before he was President he was in favor of a single payor system.. Lately, I am beginning to wonder if this failed start up with Obamacare and all the high premiums – except those going on Medicaid with subsidized premiums.. might be destroying a system so that it can be rebuilt with a single payor as was really wanted in the first place.

    Our healthcare system is changing.. and any time that you build or remodel something on a large scale you have to have a period of demolition before you can start rebuilding..

    Are we going thru that demolition period in healthcare ? We know that we cannot afford to continue to keep having higher and higher expenditures every year..

    It is pretty much a common fact that most people do not worry about their health until they have “one foot in the grave” and then they want all stops pulled out to cure them. Can we change that mindset? not over night …

    I am not sure if there is a answer.. those behind this.. are much more powerful and influential than us mere RPH’s.

  3. Goose  •  Jan 7, 2014 @11:27 am

    So far in my area salaries are holding up. I sometimes wonder if the posters of these newsflashes are shills for the chains.
    I do predict a 30 hour standard work week soon and then the attrition will begin. I have predicted this for some time.
    I also think it will soon be impossible to transition from retail to hospital and vice-versa. In fact it is probably already impossible, there is no way the hospital I work at will hire anyone but a residency trained, younger, female PharmD. If I was applying for a job now, I would not be considered.
    Older male Rphs (probably female ones too) are dinosaurs and we will suffer the same fate.

  4. pharmaciststeve  •  Jan 7, 2014 @7:51 pm

    @Goose.. remember back in the late 80′s.. when the then Exec of the Indiana Pharmacist Alliance (Dave Clark )predicted that we would see the day when those of us with a “BS” degree would become second class professionals ? and people scoffed at him. According to him, at the time.. all other professions when there was a transition to a different education level/degree.. existing practitioners were grandfathered with the new degree/title. To prevent Senior practitioners from being discriminated against at the end of their career. Apparently the “powers to be” in pharmacy academia … didn’t care what happened to the older RPh’s down the road.. I am sure as these Senior RPh’s start making/working less and less.. they will want to be very generous when their alma mater comes a knocking for a donation.

  5. bcmigal  •  Jan 8, 2014 @12:13 pm

    Goose, the 34 hour work week is here. Monday was our first taste of it. To say that it sucks in many ways would be a generous description. Of course, there are additional pharmacist tasks to be done in a shorter work day. These tasks have nothing to do with improving patient care. If we want to work a 40 hour week, we must make ourselves available to the “float’ pool to work a 6th work day at another store. That may be ok for those young ‘uns, but after 20 plus years of sore feet, five days a week in retail is enough for me. So now,I am not a team player.
    So be it.

  6. Peon  •  Jan 8, 2014 @10:24 pm

    Salaries are holding up well in my neck of the woods too.

  7. Barto  •  Jan 10, 2014 @6:28 pm

    Steve- I have always had a difficult time with the concept that somehow academia failed all of us non-Pharm.D. educated pharmacist. You and I singed up for the BS program and they delivered what they said as far as I am concerened, I earned a BS I, passded the boards and I got a job. Being “grandfathered in” would have been academic fraud, I don’t want anything I didn’t earn. If you go back and look at who was really pushing the entery level Pharm.D. then look no further than APhA and ASHP. Those are the 2 organizations that pushed ACPE to change the standards. I went to a public college of pharmacy in a poor state that talked of closing the college of pharmacy because of the additional cost of a Pharm.D. program. Must colleges did not want to change! And when after 12 years as a BS pharmacist I realized that if I really wanted to advance I would have to “earn” a Pharm.D. I interuppeted my life for 3 years and went back to school. We all saw it coming and we all chose how we wanted to respond but in no way did academia pull a fast one on us or let us down.

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